1 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:22,210 [Music] 2 00:00:39,110 --> 00:00:36,869 reaching from the third dimension your 3 00:00:42,930 --> 00:00:39,120 listings 4 00:00:45,030 --> 00:00:42,940 the biggest UK periodontal Network I'm 5 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:45,040 David Young and this is paranormal 6 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:47,890 dimensions right I've got a fantastic 7 00:00:51,170 --> 00:00:48,850 guest for you tonight 8 00:00:55,470 --> 00:00:51,180 it's is known as William Poole in and 9 00:00:57,780 --> 00:00:55,480 it's gonna be all about UFOs are you 10 00:01:00,110 --> 00:00:57,790 there William bud introduce you now and 11 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:00,120 hopefully we can get straight into it 12 00:01:04,140 --> 00:01:02,290 David I'm here thanks for having me 13 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:04,150 great oh thanks for coming on I'm 14 00:01:08,460 --> 00:01:06,610 pleased to have you will you as you know 15 00:01:10,410 --> 00:01:08,470 we've been friends on Facebook for 16 00:01:11,730 --> 00:01:10,420 probably a couple years at least now 17 00:01:15,210 --> 00:01:11,740 we've been watching each other what's 18 00:01:16,650 --> 00:01:15,220 been going on and but now finally 19 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:16,660 talking to you for the first time around 20 00:01:25,650 --> 00:01:18,250 please for it and hopefully it'll be 21 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:25,660 it'll carry on your voice sir anyway 22 00:01:29,100 --> 00:01:27,610 I'll just tell I'm gonna say to the 23 00:01:32,670 --> 00:01:29,110 listeners out there you might you might 24 00:01:35,070 --> 00:01:32,680 so hear an improvement in my audio 25 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:35,080 equipment on my last show apparently 26 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:36,729 there's a lot of problem with the sound 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:38,890 but I've been invested in a new 28 00:01:43,610 --> 00:01:41,530 microphone and record you so hopefully 29 00:01:46,020 --> 00:01:43,620 things will be a lot better this time 30 00:01:48,539 --> 00:01:46,030 anyway I should go straight into this 31 00:01:50,430 --> 00:01:48,549 now say I mean how did you originally 32 00:01:57,780 --> 00:01:50,440 get become interested in the subject to 33 00:01:59,969 --> 00:01:57,790 UFOs young like young fella watching 34 00:02:02,370 --> 00:01:59,979 sci-fi things like that movie in 35 00:02:04,740 --> 00:02:02,380 television and I really didn't have an 36 00:02:07,350 --> 00:02:04,750 opinion about the UFO issue I guess I 37 00:02:09,570 --> 00:02:07,360 was kind of a hardened skeptic but then 38 00:02:11,430 --> 00:02:09,580 I got into my university studies in my 39 00:02:12,930 --> 00:02:11,440 20s and I thought you know I should 40 00:02:15,570 --> 00:02:12,940 really look into this just to see if 41 00:02:19,350 --> 00:02:15,580 there's anything to it and I think I was 42 00:02:22,710 --> 00:02:19,360 about 22 at the time and I spent a 43 00:02:23,820 --> 00:02:22,720 summer in Roswell looking through 44 00:02:26,220 --> 00:02:23,830 everything they had to offer at the 45 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:26,230 Museum there and I changed my mind I 46 00:02:29,550 --> 00:02:28,330 became I'm still a skeptic but I'm aware 47 00:02:31,710 --> 00:02:29,560 that something's going on 48 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:31,720 nobody is the answer is it fascinates me 49 00:02:35,220 --> 00:02:33,610 and ever since then I've been pretty 50 00:02:36,930 --> 00:02:35,230 obsessed with it so yeah yeah you've 51 00:02:38,039 --> 00:02:36,940 gotta start out as a skeptic Evan you 52 00:02:39,390 --> 00:02:38,049 can't just believe everything that's 53 00:02:41,370 --> 00:02:39,400 thrown at you because there's so much 54 00:02:43,970 --> 00:02:41,380 rubbish on Facebook and not just 55 00:02:49,740 --> 00:02:43,980 Facebook on YouTube everything online 56 00:02:52,740 --> 00:02:49,750 probably 90% of is rubbish I agree every 57 00:02:54,780 --> 00:02:52,750 you know I mean Rose Bowls 58 00:02:57,300 --> 00:02:54,790 I've only been there once to be honest 59 00:03:01,050 --> 00:02:57,310 with the museum because always it's a 60 00:03:03,090 --> 00:03:01,060 long way away from here but yeah yeah 61 00:03:04,590 --> 00:03:03,100 it's the interesting place but I think 62 00:03:06,990 --> 00:03:04,600 you gotta get quite regularly don't you 63 00:03:10,020 --> 00:03:07,000 I do I end up going there about three 64 00:03:11,940 --> 00:03:10,030 worked out of the air yeah yeah it's a 65 00:03:13,350 --> 00:03:11,950 good it's a good place to just I'm in 66 00:03:15,449 --> 00:03:13,360 the museum and not the museum but the 67 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:15,459 library they have attached to the museum 68 00:03:24,260 --> 00:03:19,410 it's a great box of info files magazines 69 00:03:27,449 --> 00:03:24,270 books sati reports you name it so I love 70 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:27,459 diving into that and just exploring yeah 71 00:03:31,380 --> 00:03:29,170 it's great stuff yeah you came across a 72 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:31,390 few other books did you the other day 73 00:03:39,030 --> 00:03:36,850 somebody gave you oh he lives I think it 74 00:03:41,940 --> 00:03:39,040 was in the northern part of mistakes and 75 00:03:43,500 --> 00:03:41,950 he he's letting go with all his books 76 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:43,510 which is something I would never do 77 00:03:51,590 --> 00:03:48,370 that's always good with it and I say 78 00:03:54,060 --> 00:03:51,600 well don't find a safe place here so he 79 00:03:56,729 --> 00:03:54,070 used the mail the snail mail here in the 80 00:03:58,470 --> 00:03:56,739 States and Mail me about I guess about 81 00:04:00,930 --> 00:03:58,480 thirteen books or thirteen pieces of 82 00:04:02,190 --> 00:04:00,940 literature so I have yet to touch any of 83 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:02,200 them but I will by the time this summer 84 00:04:09,420 --> 00:04:04,690 comes so there's some of the court 85 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:09,430 claims below like I am a today I am in 86 00:04:15,300 --> 00:04:12,850 his depth yeah hmm ma'am have you 87 00:04:18,780 --> 00:04:15,310 actually say the UFO yourself or think 88 00:04:20,900 --> 00:04:18,790 you may have done little no I've never 89 00:04:22,530 --> 00:04:20,910 seen anything or experienced anything 90 00:04:26,070 --> 00:04:22,540 out of the ordinary 91 00:04:28,650 --> 00:04:26,080 I never have um yeah I'm completely 92 00:04:30,530 --> 00:04:28,660 convinced that something is going on but 93 00:04:33,290 --> 00:04:30,540 I myself have never seen anything so uh 94 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:33,300 yeah I'm always fascinated by people 95 00:04:37,620 --> 00:04:36,250 who've experienced something hmm I yeah 96 00:04:41,280 --> 00:04:37,630 it gives me a point of view I don't have 97 00:04:43,950 --> 00:04:41,290 yeah I mean I saw if you know this story 98 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:43,960 but I saw one in nineteen I think it was 99 00:04:52,830 --> 00:04:49,690 66 or 67 here in the UK in Essex in the 100 00:04:56,700 --> 00:04:52,840 across the night sky it was like a large 101 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:56,710 oval orange object silent and I was 102 00:05:02,880 --> 00:04:58,090 watching it for probably a good ten 103 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:02,890 minutes and it gave me kind of kind of a 104 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:04,450 peaceful feeling watching if you can 105 00:05:07,930 --> 00:05:05,690 understand that 106 00:05:11,310 --> 00:05:07,940 but yeah it was definitely something 107 00:05:13,180 --> 00:05:11,320 weird I mean back in 66 67 KITT was 67 108 00:05:16,510 --> 00:05:13,190 because I was walking home from the 109 00:05:17,620 --> 00:05:16,520 girlfriend's house at the time and it 110 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:17,630 probably about one o'clock in the 111 00:05:27,850 --> 00:05:20,450 morning it was dark and this is orange 112 00:05:28,780 --> 00:05:27,860 object going across the sky I would love 113 00:05:31,660 --> 00:05:28,790 to experience something like that 114 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:31,670 perhaps I shuffle off this planet 115 00:05:37,590 --> 00:05:34,450 oh I'll see one but nothing so far so 116 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:37,600 keep your eyes open you never know 117 00:05:41,650 --> 00:05:40,370 everyone everyone looks down here in the 118 00:05:49,870 --> 00:05:41,660 States everybody looks down at their 119 00:05:51,550 --> 00:05:49,880 phones yeah yeah but you know yeah I 120 00:05:53,260 --> 00:05:51,560 mean I'll tell you what before they 121 00:05:54,430 --> 00:05:53,270 don't give you another little story no 122 00:05:55,840 --> 00:05:54,440 she's supposed to be your show but I'll 123 00:05:58,630 --> 00:05:55,850 just tell you cut them cut the bio 124 00:06:00,580 --> 00:05:58,640 stories as well I was living in London 125 00:06:03,460 --> 00:06:00,590 living in London as a child I grew up in 126 00:06:06,070 --> 00:06:03,470 London and when I was about 8 years old 127 00:06:08,170 --> 00:06:06,080 I was sitting on my steps looking up at 128 00:06:10,450 --> 00:06:08,180 the stars and suddenly I'm watching a 129 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:10,460 star move and stop a move and stop now 130 00:06:14,860 --> 00:06:12,370 this would have been around about 1958 131 00:06:16,690 --> 00:06:14,870 so what the hell that was I've always 132 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:16,700 wondered because back then I just 133 00:06:21,490 --> 00:06:27,540 I know now that stars don't do that so 134 00:06:33,550 --> 00:06:31,510 people people experience things and they 135 00:06:35,260 --> 00:06:33,560 may write it off as a star or comet or 136 00:06:37,450 --> 00:06:35,270 what-have-you but as they get older and 137 00:06:39,550 --> 00:06:37,460 more knowledgeable hmm they they saw 138 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:39,560 something that wasn't what they thought 139 00:06:43,900 --> 00:06:42,530 it was yeah he thought was a star and 140 00:06:45,909 --> 00:06:43,910 now you're convinced it probably wasn't 141 00:06:48,460 --> 00:06:45,919 and who knows what it was but that's 142 00:06:49,420 --> 00:06:48,470 that's interesting how enough time gives 143 00:06:51,130 --> 00:06:49,430 you a different point of view 144 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:51,140 yeah oh it's always stuck in my mind I 145 00:06:54,250 --> 00:06:52,970 mean stars don't move and stop the move 146 00:06:56,830 --> 00:06:54,260 and stop you know and it was definitely 147 00:07:08,290 --> 00:06:56,840 doing that in a downward motion so so 148 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:08,300 what was what keeps you going to be 149 00:07:11,020 --> 00:07:09,770 involved in this field because you know 150 00:07:13,060 --> 00:07:11,030 there's a lot of frauds of the stuff 151 00:07:15,130 --> 00:07:13,070 going on and it's a little bit 152 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:15,140 disheartening sometimes as there when 153 00:07:19,060 --> 00:07:17,690 you find out about some of these the the 154 00:07:24,130 --> 00:07:19,070 fraud really goes off 155 00:07:27,340 --> 00:07:24,140 saluté a good term uh you know I just I 156 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:27,350 just want to know the answers I I am 157 00:07:32,070 --> 00:07:28,970 very comfortable saying that I don't 158 00:07:33,940 --> 00:07:32,080 know the answers mmm searching for them 159 00:07:38,650 --> 00:07:33,950 it's almost like you have to weed out 160 00:07:41,950 --> 00:07:38,660 the crap part of my friends uh yeah from 161 00:07:43,930 --> 00:07:41,960 these frogs and and Charlotte says in 162 00:07:45,790 --> 00:07:43,940 these cases that our hosts to find the 163 00:07:46,990 --> 00:07:45,800 cases that are illegitimate it's worth 164 00:07:50,430 --> 00:07:47,000 the effort because there's there's a 165 00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:50,440 core of cases that are unexplained and 166 00:07:55,150 --> 00:07:53,120 challenged a scientific mind I'm kind of 167 00:07:57,550 --> 00:07:55,160 a grounded guy so I like I like seeing 168 00:08:00,010 --> 00:07:57,560 evidence but it's fascinating to 169 00:08:02,230 --> 00:08:00,020 interview people and hear and hear their 170 00:08:03,550 --> 00:08:02,240 testimony and it gets my mind thinking 171 00:08:04,870 --> 00:08:03,560 okay what did they see they saw 172 00:08:07,950 --> 00:08:04,880 something that I can't explain 173 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:07,960 and and the majority of those people are 174 00:08:12,430 --> 00:08:10,610 pretty regular there were average 175 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:12,440 individuals they just want an answer 176 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:13,970 they really don't they're not enamored 177 00:08:16,180 --> 00:08:15,110 with or the Raylan 178 00:08:19,660 --> 00:08:16,190 they just want to know what they saw 179 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:19,670 yeah yeah so say most of those people 180 00:08:22,450 --> 00:08:21,170 that are really a genuine they're not 181 00:08:24,070 --> 00:08:22,460 looking for style de bourree I think 182 00:08:25,450 --> 00:08:24,080 that really a lot of them don't like to 183 00:08:28,210 --> 00:08:25,460 tell the story because they'll get made 184 00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:28,220 a fool of usually yeah I know that 185 00:08:31,810 --> 00:08:30,080 outfit had that feel was because we know 186 00:08:33,370 --> 00:08:31,820 when I was telling my little stories you 187 00:08:39,339 --> 00:08:33,380 know you think oh maybe I should just 188 00:08:41,740 --> 00:08:39,349 shut up is a huge deal unless or 189 00:08:43,900 --> 00:08:41,750 nowadays but now I might be wrong saying 190 00:08:45,340 --> 00:08:43,910 that but yeah it's it's it's troublesome 191 00:08:46,450 --> 00:08:45,350 somebody experiences something that 192 00:08:48,010 --> 00:08:46,460 they're afraid to talk about it because 193 00:08:50,470 --> 00:08:48,020 they're afraid of being laughed at that 194 00:08:53,710 --> 00:08:50,480 horrible feeling I can only imagine yeah 195 00:08:56,170 --> 00:08:53,720 I mean some my mind it's it's ridiculous 196 00:08:57,730 --> 00:08:56,180 to think there aren't any aliens whether 197 00:08:59,920 --> 00:08:57,740 they're actually coming here there's 198 00:09:02,710 --> 00:08:59,930 another matter but I think they probably 199 00:09:04,990 --> 00:09:02,720 are I know I believe you know that's my 200 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:05,000 belief anyway I mean there's probably as 201 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:06,770 you can't prove it can you you can only 202 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:11,090 think what you've seen you know kind of 203 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:15,530 what your feeling is on that I mean the 204 00:09:20,110 --> 00:09:17,690 the number of stars and planets we found 205 00:09:22,390 --> 00:09:20,120 if you stand out to the known universe 206 00:09:24,820 --> 00:09:22,400 yeah the numbers kind of dictate we 207 00:09:26,490 --> 00:09:24,830 can't the chances of us being alone in 208 00:09:30,010 --> 00:09:26,500 the entire universe are pretty much zero 209 00:09:32,620 --> 00:09:30,020 absolutely the issue is we don't approve 210 00:09:34,540 --> 00:09:32,630 of any have come here and my 211 00:09:37,329 --> 00:09:34,550 so my personal position is I think alien 212 00:09:39,069 --> 00:09:37,339 visitation has occurred but I don't 213 00:09:40,389 --> 00:09:39,079 think it's anywhere near as common as 214 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:40,399 though it's portrayed in the oval 215 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:42,410 community but he's pretty impossible to 216 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:46,250 prove yeah I said but I believe it's 217 00:09:50,439 --> 00:09:48,769 happened so but I'm with you there yeah 218 00:09:53,530 --> 00:09:50,449 yeah well maybe what about the ancient 219 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:53,540 ideas theory had to go with that you 220 00:09:59,430 --> 00:09:56,569 know I I don't know I I'm afraid that 221 00:10:01,780 --> 00:09:59,440 some of the researchers because there's 222 00:10:03,819 --> 00:10:01,790 megalithic structures or things that 223 00:10:06,610 --> 00:10:03,829 they can't explain or things that have 224 00:10:08,620 --> 00:10:06,620 been built and there's no evidence as to 225 00:10:12,670 --> 00:10:08,630 who built them they immediately make the 226 00:10:15,069 --> 00:10:12,680 jump to alien as opposed to being more 227 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:15,079 cautious than thinking okay the further 228 00:10:18,129 --> 00:10:16,730 back in time you go the less evidence 229 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:18,139 there is of anything hmm 230 00:10:23,740 --> 00:10:19,730 so it's hard it's hard to nail down one 231 00:10:25,329 --> 00:10:23,750 theory my gut tells me the majority of 232 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:25,339 things are built by humans we just don't 233 00:10:30,699 --> 00:10:27,490 know enough about our own history 234 00:10:31,749 --> 00:10:30,709 explain them but I mean there's no 235 00:10:35,439 --> 00:10:31,759 reason why not I mean there's no 236 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:35,449 evidence against it but I think it's I'm 237 00:10:41,259 --> 00:10:37,250 not very conscious guys so my gut tells 238 00:10:45,639 --> 00:10:41,269 me it's not a Liam but there is always a 239 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:45,649 possibility but I I'm not I don't really 240 00:10:51,670 --> 00:10:48,170 get into that kind of sighs Andra 241 00:10:53,170 --> 00:10:51,680 beautiful research too much maybe I'm 242 00:10:55,420 --> 00:10:53,180 turned off by all the TV shows about it 243 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:55,430 but I don't know but yeah oh yeah let's 244 00:10:57,519 --> 00:10:56,810 do fun to fascinate you don't have to 245 00:11:00,069 --> 00:10:57,529 save yourself 246 00:11:04,900 --> 00:11:00,079 yeah come on do they lead on like a 247 00:11:06,579 --> 00:11:04,910 million years so I think the good thing 248 00:11:08,769 --> 00:11:06,589 about those programs at least they give 249 00:11:12,699 --> 00:11:08,779 you some good aerial shots of the areas 250 00:11:13,900 --> 00:11:12,709 and like the ancient monuments and 251 00:11:16,059 --> 00:11:13,910 everything like that and good to see 252 00:11:18,100 --> 00:11:16,069 them from the air is fantastic places 253 00:11:19,259 --> 00:11:18,110 you never be able to get the chance to 254 00:11:23,379 --> 00:11:19,269 go to yourself 255 00:11:24,610 --> 00:11:23,389 yeah threw you out yeah I'm good college 256 00:11:26,769 --> 00:11:24,620 friends they've done quite a bit of 257 00:11:28,650 --> 00:11:26,779 traveling overseas the things that I say 258 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:28,660 they've seen things in person I'm not 259 00:11:34,509 --> 00:11:31,970 and I always envied them because they've 260 00:11:37,059 --> 00:11:34,519 seen all these my best friend when 261 00:11:39,550 --> 00:11:37,069 college went to a massive pshew in South 262 00:11:41,980 --> 00:11:39,560 America yeah and it was gorgeous it was 263 00:11:43,299 --> 00:11:41,990 it was all inspiring and all I've seen 264 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:43,309 his pictures I've never been there so I 265 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:46,610 I envy his experience and you're on TV 266 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:48,889 giving you it gives it gives individual 267 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:50,720 an opportunity to see these things at 268 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:53,569 least on on a screen yeah 269 00:11:57,429 --> 00:11:55,610 when they may not ever make it there in 270 00:11:59,679 --> 00:11:57,439 their lives so it that's true 271 00:12:01,359 --> 00:11:59,689 yeah yeah I think he actually makes you 272 00:12:04,359 --> 00:12:01,369 think anyway doesn't it even if maybe 273 00:12:06,879 --> 00:12:04,369 there's maybe some of the things you're 274 00:12:08,319 --> 00:12:06,889 seeing and not maybe accurate but it 275 00:12:10,780 --> 00:12:08,329 does make you think about the 276 00:12:13,389 --> 00:12:10,790 possibilities from thousands of years 277 00:12:15,489 --> 00:12:13,399 ago you know and and to think of life 278 00:12:17,049 --> 00:12:15,499 out there that there's there's this life 279 00:12:20,739 --> 00:12:17,059 has probably been there for millions of 280 00:12:22,389 --> 00:12:20,749 years in advance of us you know and it 281 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:22,399 certainly makes me I mean it's a pianist 282 00:12:27,369 --> 00:12:23,689 that the first thing that made me start 283 00:12:29,590 --> 00:12:27,379 thinking about life out in space was 284 00:12:31,869 --> 00:12:29,600 actually a chance of the gold see erich 285 00:12:37,619 --> 00:12:31,879 von daniken that was one of the first 286 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:39,639 thinking is always good I mean those 287 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:40,970 shows it leisure and those shows in 288 00:12:46,030 --> 00:12:44,569 those books make you think possibilities 289 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:46,040 and then critical thought is always a 290 00:12:50,739 --> 00:12:48,649 good thing and going back to the direct 291 00:12:52,629 --> 00:12:50,749 you elbow issue if people can use 292 00:12:54,729 --> 00:12:52,639 critical thought like you said if it 293 00:12:58,509 --> 00:12:54,739 gets it would get some thinking in a 294 00:13:00,069 --> 00:12:58,519 kind of a common-sense way it could you 295 00:13:02,109 --> 00:13:00,079 allow those things that they're really 296 00:13:05,350 --> 00:13:02,119 out there that are obviously hoaxes or 297 00:13:06,879 --> 00:13:05,360 obviously yeah hey if you just play if 298 00:13:09,879 --> 00:13:06,889 you just apply some common sense those 299 00:13:12,069 --> 00:13:09,889 things are kind of cast aside but but 300 00:13:12,699 --> 00:13:12,079 people don't think enough I think that I 301 00:13:15,850 --> 00:13:12,709 think you're right 302 00:13:17,979 --> 00:13:15,860 oh yeah okay cause I when when you start 303 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:17,989 reading a lot of that and reading things 304 00:13:23,650 --> 00:13:20,929 in the Bible stuff there are UFO events 305 00:13:26,470 --> 00:13:23,660 reported in the Bible that's a really 306 00:13:29,289 --> 00:13:26,480 make you think that makes you thinking 307 00:13:30,850 --> 00:13:29,299 there but but the the traulsen thing for 308 00:13:32,949 --> 00:13:30,860 someone like me is I'm always wanted to 309 00:13:35,169 --> 00:13:32,959 research cases but the further back you 310 00:13:39,759 --> 00:13:35,179 go in time the harder it are oh yeah yes 311 00:13:41,769 --> 00:13:39,769 yeah it's it's it's virtually impossible 312 00:13:46,119 --> 00:13:41,779 to prove something that happened 70 313 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:46,129 years ago much less 3,000 so stories are 314 00:13:51,249 --> 00:13:47,569 interesting man there's a lot of these 315 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:51,259 religious texts have stories of events 316 00:13:56,139 --> 00:13:54,410 that sound like something flying it 317 00:13:57,669 --> 00:13:56,149 sounds like a powered craft it may not 318 00:14:00,460 --> 00:13:57,679 be but it's interesting stories 319 00:14:03,340 --> 00:14:00,470 nonetheless yes bottle of the 320 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:03,350 ZQ up dizzy cool you think you are yeah 321 00:14:09,580 --> 00:14:06,530 yeah yeah yeah with the wheels within 322 00:14:14,700 --> 00:14:09,590 wheels yeah yeah it's quite fascinating 323 00:14:20,230 --> 00:14:17,650 think about why do you think there's so 324 00:14:23,290 --> 00:14:20,240 much division in the UFO William there's 325 00:14:24,550 --> 00:14:23,300 some you know a lot of people I know 326 00:14:26,140 --> 00:14:24,560 there's a lot of that there seems to be 327 00:14:29,050 --> 00:14:26,150 a lot so many arguments going on 328 00:14:33,790 --> 00:14:29,060 nowadays about um who believes in what 329 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:33,800 and yeah what believes east what is true 330 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:36,290 and everything and it seems to be it's 331 00:14:41,770 --> 00:14:37,730 always been like that but it does seem 332 00:14:44,170 --> 00:14:41,780 to be multi positive nowadays I just a 333 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:44,180 little yeah you you are you're spot-on 334 00:14:50,980 --> 00:14:48,290 about that it seems like everyone has 335 00:14:52,630 --> 00:14:50,990 their own positions and they kind of get 336 00:14:54,940 --> 00:14:52,640 pigeonholed in their positions when they 337 00:14:56,110 --> 00:14:54,950 when they were challenged as to okay how 338 00:14:57,340 --> 00:14:56,120 do you do robber this position if 339 00:15:00,490 --> 00:14:57,350 somebody asked them a question how did 340 00:15:01,930 --> 00:15:00,500 you come to this conclusion they make a 341 00:15:03,310 --> 00:15:01,940 lot of people don't really know why they 342 00:15:05,980 --> 00:15:03,320 believe something they've just kind of 343 00:15:08,620 --> 00:15:05,990 heard it in a book or they saw a DVD or 344 00:15:11,140 --> 00:15:08,630 they saw an interview and then they kind 345 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:11,150 of double down it's become very 346 00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:13,010 polarized here in the states the 347 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:14,480 political scene is horrible it's very 348 00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:15,770 polarized people don't talk to each 349 00:15:21,850 --> 00:15:17,600 other and then the UFO community has 350 00:15:23,470 --> 00:15:21,860 kind of the same way I mean I'm I'm a I 351 00:15:25,390 --> 00:15:23,480 was raised to be a gentleman I can I can 352 00:15:27,490 --> 00:15:25,400 agree to disagree I can have a cordial 353 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:27,500 discussion with somebody they believe 354 00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:29,450 something totally different but at the 355 00:15:32,110 --> 00:15:30,740 end of the day we're still friends we 356 00:15:34,210 --> 00:15:32,120 can we can discuss things and just say 357 00:15:35,950 --> 00:15:34,220 okay you think that I think this we'll 358 00:15:38,110 --> 00:15:35,960 just move on yeah that's all I should 359 00:15:40,290 --> 00:15:38,120 yeah yeah yeah should be like that but 360 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:40,300 yeah it's very polarized it though I 361 00:15:45,130 --> 00:15:43,910 don't know why it started it's it's 362 00:15:48,340 --> 00:15:45,140 progressively getting worse I think 363 00:15:49,870 --> 00:15:48,350 sometimes they it becomes it gets to the 364 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:49,880 point where people people conduct 365 00:15:53,980 --> 00:15:51,530 themselves horribly they call each other 366 00:15:55,930 --> 00:15:53,990 name right it's it's it becomes very 367 00:15:58,090 --> 00:15:55,940 childish I'm thinking okay be these 368 00:15:58,660 --> 00:15:58,100 people are grown adults they're not 12 369 00:16:01,360 --> 00:15:58,670 years old 370 00:16:04,780 --> 00:16:01,370 yeah but it's it's unfortunate does he 371 00:16:06,910 --> 00:16:04,790 like that as to why I I have no idea 372 00:16:08,230 --> 00:16:06,920 David well you get to a point where you 373 00:16:09,820 --> 00:16:08,240 all you're doing is you're asking a 374 00:16:11,950 --> 00:16:09,830 question that doesn't quite sound right 375 00:16:13,780 --> 00:16:11,960 you want to know more about it and then 376 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:13,790 you start getting insults and 377 00:16:20,500 --> 00:16:16,010 whirring afro neck yeah some swear words 378 00:16:22,750 --> 00:16:20,510 thrown at you what's going on here you 379 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:22,760 know and I don't seem to want the water 380 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:24,050 wants for the question that you're 381 00:16:26,860 --> 00:16:24,530 asking 382 00:16:29,620 --> 00:16:26,870 they just want to basically just insult 383 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:29,630 you and swear words at you yeah and you 384 00:16:35,170 --> 00:16:31,130 see I don't know you've seen some of it 385 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:35,180 on your website seventh year yeah I can 386 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:37,490 I keep I keep my websites under control 387 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:40,210 yeah there's ever a reason that way 388 00:16:43,900 --> 00:16:42,530 whether it's you or I or anybody else 389 00:16:46,630 --> 00:16:43,910 can actually talk about their experience 390 00:16:50,470 --> 00:16:46,640 without fear of being ridiculed 391 00:16:53,770 --> 00:16:50,480 that's it used for me yeah keep it under 392 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:53,780 control and and when I created a group 393 00:16:56,950 --> 00:16:54,890 it's actually gonna be the four year 394 00:17:00,970 --> 00:16:56,960 anniversary on the 7th of this month of 395 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:00,980 that of my group existing I didn't have 396 00:17:04,510 --> 00:17:03,050 the rules written at first but then with 397 00:17:06,370 --> 00:17:04,520 enough time watching everything else 398 00:17:08,650 --> 00:17:06,380 that was happening on on Facebook and 399 00:17:09,940 --> 00:17:08,660 other social media sites I thought no I 400 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:09,950 need rules otherwise this will get out 401 00:17:14,110 --> 00:17:11,690 of control somebody will be in the group 402 00:17:19,150 --> 00:17:14,120 and they'll start acting crazy yeah I 403 00:17:20,590 --> 00:17:19,160 didn't want that to happen so yeah oh 404 00:17:22,570 --> 00:17:20,600 you actually kick somebody off the other 405 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:22,580 day did you who because I made a comment 406 00:17:28,090 --> 00:17:26,450 about me I'm on the show yeah I thought 407 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:28,100 he made a comment on my personal blog I 408 00:17:31,090 --> 00:17:29,330 wasn't really crazy about because they 409 00:17:33,190 --> 00:17:31,100 they made some personal comments about 410 00:17:35,470 --> 00:17:33,200 two friends yeah mine up okay I don't 411 00:17:36,970 --> 00:17:35,480 tell her that I'm sorry that's it's time 412 00:17:39,430 --> 00:17:36,980 to be an adult so I just hide his banner 413 00:17:41,710 --> 00:17:39,440 from the page and and I I made a post 414 00:17:43,270 --> 00:17:41,720 about who exactly it was and just moved 415 00:17:44,890 --> 00:17:43,280 on I mean you can't control one's 416 00:17:46,510 --> 00:17:44,900 behavior though it was sometimes these 417 00:17:50,100 --> 00:17:46,520 people who I mean that person so you 418 00:17:52,270 --> 00:17:50,110 didn't know me and the weather it knew I 419 00:17:56,110 --> 00:17:52,280 mean we can say the name it was Peter 420 00:17:58,990 --> 00:17:56,120 Robbins was it whether he knows anything 421 00:18:01,420 --> 00:17:59,000 about him or I mean then call him a 422 00:18:04,930 --> 00:18:01,430 fraud I think was quite outrageous to be 423 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:04,940 honest you know what I mean I simply 424 00:18:10,420 --> 00:18:08,690 shared on your personal blog you were 425 00:18:12,100 --> 00:18:10,430 advertised to the program that you have 426 00:18:15,250 --> 00:18:12,110 when you're interviewing Peter it's fun 427 00:18:18,220 --> 00:18:15,260 yeah it was wasn't it yeah there's 428 00:18:19,660 --> 00:18:18,230 nothing else yeah no I made no comment 429 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:19,670 at all I was just sharing I was just 430 00:18:23,980 --> 00:18:20,930 sharing your IRA target to increase 431 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:23,990 viewership or listening viewers to 432 00:18:29,690 --> 00:18:27,090 program and he came out with a with a 433 00:18:31,970 --> 00:18:29,700 dude comment about yourself and Peter 434 00:18:34,010 --> 00:18:31,980 about okay well I wouldn't tolerate 435 00:18:35,690 --> 00:18:34,020 their butt about anybody well he said he 436 00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:35,700 doesn't know me I know that for a fact 437 00:18:42,410 --> 00:18:39,440 well because I think nobody was yeah 438 00:18:43,910 --> 00:18:42,420 counted banham you know I mean one thing 439 00:18:46,100 --> 00:18:43,920 to say something about someone you don't 440 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:46,110 know and that's that's unfortunate but 441 00:18:49,310 --> 00:18:47,610 he says something about two good friends 442 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:49,320 or like okay well that's not that's not 443 00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:50,490 gonna that's not going to flow with me 444 00:18:54,170 --> 00:18:52,400 so yeah bye-bye 445 00:19:04,280 --> 00:18:54,180 unfortunately there's a few nut cases 446 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:04,290 like yeah I always think about it's 447 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:06,450 about the why the Western world can come 448 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:07,770 to war up the sink but that's for 449 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:09,650 somebody reporting what they'd observed 450 00:19:14,150 --> 00:19:12,450 about an unidentified flying objects 451 00:19:16,730 --> 00:19:14,160 with it being seen as an attention 452 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:16,740 seeker a mystique a hoaxer or a true 453 00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:18,930 believer or if it mentally ill or Fame 454 00:19:22,220 --> 00:19:20,370 seeker well what do you think about that 455 00:19:26,780 --> 00:19:22,230 do you think they're people being 456 00:19:29,750 --> 00:19:26,790 labeled too easily yes I think part of 457 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:29,760 that is because the the media here in 458 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:30,450 the States 459 00:19:36,530 --> 00:19:32,450 does not treat the UFO issue seriously 460 00:19:39,380 --> 00:19:36,540 what I don't hear ELISA yeah I at least 461 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:39,390 hear they went tell them report to UFO 462 00:19:43,010 --> 00:19:41,730 they get make it labeled you know they 463 00:19:46,490 --> 00:19:43,020 think okay well how much does this guy 464 00:19:48,170 --> 00:19:46,500 have to drink how his girlfriend what 465 00:19:50,450 --> 00:19:48,180 political party does it belong to but 466 00:19:52,730 --> 00:19:50,460 none of those things matter but they 467 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:52,740 label these people and they belittle 468 00:19:56,420 --> 00:19:54,330 them they don't take it seriously as 469 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:56,430 opposed to thinking okay this is simply 470 00:20:00,050 --> 00:19:57,810 an individual to saw something they 471 00:20:01,850 --> 00:20:00,060 can't explain they don't treat like that 472 00:20:05,660 --> 00:20:01,860 they treat it they they they character 473 00:20:09,230 --> 00:20:05,670 assassinate that person and that was 474 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:09,240 official that was official procedure set 475 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:11,490 by the air force in the government back 476 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:13,890 in the 50s here in the state and and 477 00:20:19,370 --> 00:20:17,610 since then it's as it has it has a 478 00:20:21,890 --> 00:20:19,380 continue to this day it probably has to 479 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:21,900 a certain extent but then it became so 480 00:20:25,820 --> 00:20:24,210 colony in the everyday environment here 481 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:25,830 in the states now it just happens 482 00:20:32,540 --> 00:20:30,210 everywhere it's it's it's unfortunate 483 00:20:35,030 --> 00:20:32,550 because again it it influences people it 484 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:35,040 it makes people not want to report what 485 00:20:40,820 --> 00:20:38,610 they saw and that and sold as an 486 00:20:43,130 --> 00:20:40,830 investigator or a historian like myself 487 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:43,140 the data you have available to you is 488 00:20:45,530 --> 00:20:44,670 kind of a stunted because you wonder 489 00:20:47,120 --> 00:20:45,540 okay 490 00:20:48,620 --> 00:20:47,130 how many's how you reports actually are 491 00:20:51,170 --> 00:20:48,630 I mean how many sightings are actually 492 00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,180 reported and my personal thought is I 493 00:20:56,420 --> 00:20:53,600 think less than 20% yeah oh sorry you 494 00:20:58,550 --> 00:20:56,430 reported which is which is crazy so any 495 00:21:01,970 --> 00:20:58,560 data you have is on some level 496 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:01,980 incomplete because of that and I think 497 00:21:05,030 --> 00:21:03,090 it's just thought about just in the 498 00:21:06,770 --> 00:21:05,040 states I mean but if obviously this 499 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:06,780 thousands reports all over the world 500 00:21:10,940 --> 00:21:08,820 isn't there every day every day 501 00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:10,950 thousands but there's certainly an awful 502 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:14,640 lot every day yes yeah all over the 503 00:21:19,310 --> 00:21:16,710 world you know I mean the vast majority 504 00:21:21,650 --> 00:21:19,320 are not extraterrestrial I would think 505 00:21:25,190 --> 00:21:21,660 but now if you're right there's a lot 506 00:21:31,700 --> 00:21:25,200 mistake yeah yeah at the same time I 507 00:21:34,490 --> 00:21:31,710 mean some maybe and if there's even one 508 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:34,500 that's potentially extraterrestrial it 509 00:21:38,660 --> 00:21:37,170 doesn't get reported that's a loss I 510 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:38,670 mean that's something we want to hear 511 00:21:44,330 --> 00:21:42,330 about but yeah it is I mean leave here 512 00:21:46,790 --> 00:21:44,340 in the states the my entire life I only 513 00:21:49,220 --> 00:21:46,800 know what it's like here but it's it's 514 00:21:50,450 --> 00:21:49,230 it's the way the media portrays the UFO 515 00:21:54,740 --> 00:21:50,460 issue here in the states it's pretty 516 00:21:57,790 --> 00:21:54,750 sorry the Paris job do you think that's 517 00:21:59,660 --> 00:21:57,800 still driven by the air force and uh 518 00:22:04,670 --> 00:21:59,670 there's supposed to be secret 519 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:04,680 governments and stuff like that I don't 520 00:22:09,010 --> 00:22:06,690 think so I think I think they might even 521 00:22:11,690 --> 00:22:09,020 that might have been policy back then 522 00:22:14,120 --> 00:22:11,700 but as time has gone on he's become it's 523 00:22:15,890 --> 00:22:14,130 become human nature it's become yeah 524 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:15,900 it's been put into your psyche isn't it 525 00:22:21,110 --> 00:22:17,730 so make it so I think it's all rubbish 526 00:22:23,810 --> 00:22:21,120 yeah yeah it is so it's become common 527 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:23,820 here it's kind of like the dc4 the 528 00:22:31,190 --> 00:22:28,110 disinformation scenario the government 529 00:22:35,060 --> 00:22:31,200 slash military was engaged in that to 530 00:22:37,210 --> 00:22:35,070 some extent back a few decades ago but 531 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:37,220 now there's no need for that because 532 00:22:40,670 --> 00:22:39,210 there are people in the community that 533 00:22:42,980 --> 00:22:40,680 believes so many things they believe 534 00:22:44,660 --> 00:22:42,990 everything yeah there's there's no need 535 00:22:47,210 --> 00:22:44,670 for disinformation we do it to ourselves 536 00:22:49,730 --> 00:22:47,220 yeah yeah yeah yeah and I think with all 537 00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:49,740 the fight that's the problem with all 538 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:52,320 the fake DeVito videos and things that 539 00:22:57,650 --> 00:22:54,090 you see on YouTube 540 00:22:59,470 --> 00:22:57,660 we kind of drive it down ourselves wd-40 541 00:23:01,220 --> 00:22:59,480 you get people out there faking you're 542 00:23:02,540 --> 00:23:01,230 faking UFOs 543 00:23:04,310 --> 00:23:02,550 what's the point that they're in there 544 00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:04,320 you know you're just ruining the whole 545 00:23:08,510 --> 00:23:06,900 thing for yourself you know I I don't 546 00:23:10,370 --> 00:23:08,520 know I don't know what there is to gain 547 00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:10,380 I mean I don't know anybody who's gotten 548 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:14,960 rich making fake UFO videos I don't know 549 00:23:20,660 --> 00:23:18,450 I mean and also we'll talk about UFOs 550 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:20,670 being it extraterrestrial there could be 551 00:23:25,670 --> 00:23:23,130 like the interdimensional aspects of it 552 00:23:26,750 --> 00:23:25,680 as well what do you feel about that yeah 553 00:23:28,670 --> 00:23:26,760 I mean I 554 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:28,680 and the all possibilities are on the 555 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:32,010 table I think they're extraterrestrial 556 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:34,290 but I might be wrong but there are 557 00:23:39,530 --> 00:23:37,170 several theories that seem to explain 558 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:39,540 some aspects of the film they seem to 559 00:23:45,980 --> 00:23:41,850 explain some parts of the of the data we 560 00:23:47,450 --> 00:23:45,990 have but not completely so it I mean I 561 00:23:50,060 --> 00:23:47,460 believe it I believe in the 562 00:23:53,060 --> 00:23:50,070 extra-terrestrial theory but at what may 563 00:23:54,530 --> 00:23:53,070 weigh may turn out to be some some 564 00:23:58,520 --> 00:23:54,540 combination of all these theories may 565 00:24:00,980 --> 00:23:58,530 explain it in the end but you know it's 566 00:24:02,900 --> 00:24:00,990 kind of like what did when did I mean in 567 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:02,910 literature Sherlock Holmes his credit is 568 00:24:09,710 --> 00:24:06,090 credited as saying that once you've 569 00:24:12,170 --> 00:24:09,720 investigated a scenario once he won all 570 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:12,180 the possibilities well there was left he 571 00:24:17,060 --> 00:24:15,690 is the explanation but again it's you 572 00:24:19,730 --> 00:24:17,070 can't prove it we don't have a piece of 573 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:19,740 the ship we don't have a body so we can 574 00:24:22,670 --> 00:24:21,210 eliminate okay wasn't a weather balloon 575 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:22,680 it wasn't lightning it wasn't 576 00:24:26,930 --> 00:24:24,690 atmospheric phenomenon it wasn't a 577 00:24:28,340 --> 00:24:26,940 misidentified helicopter and so he 578 00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:28,350 eliminated those from a case and 579 00:24:33,860 --> 00:24:29,700 extraterrestrials still on the table 580 00:24:35,780 --> 00:24:33,870 it's a possibility so a lot of the 581 00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:35,790 theory said may hold a lot of water I 582 00:24:38,780 --> 00:24:37,950 guess we don't we don't know yet but 583 00:24:41,150 --> 00:24:38,790 it's a possibility 584 00:24:48,410 --> 00:24:41,160 well you a believer in the you know 585 00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:48,420 Topsy it was around no cuz I was all 586 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:49,140 caught up in it 587 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:52,410 for a while I when I first thought it 588 00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:55,770 was it was aired here in 95 on the Fox 589 00:25:02,120 --> 00:24:59,940 Network and I I know what to think when 590 00:25:03,530 --> 00:25:02,130 I first saw it but I washed it a few 591 00:25:06,650 --> 00:25:03,540 more times after that I ended up buying 592 00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:06,660 it on yeah they sue him back 593 00:25:10,940 --> 00:25:07,320 that's 594 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:10,950 VHS tapes and after a while a washout 595 00:25:15,290 --> 00:25:13,890 thought okay the the way the autopsy 596 00:25:17,540 --> 00:25:15,300 looked the way it was wet in the way 597 00:25:19,850 --> 00:25:17,550 what was the procedure was done wasn't 598 00:25:22,700 --> 00:25:19,860 very accurate and and the guy that 599 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:22,710 brought the film to the public he was 600 00:25:28,670 --> 00:25:25,410 unwilling to allow any pieces of it to 601 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:28,680 be examined so I after about three or 602 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:30,210 four times washing it I thought you know 603 00:25:33,620 --> 00:25:32,010 this is this looks more like a hoax yeah 604 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:33,630 I should thinking feeling in my stomach 605 00:25:38,450 --> 00:25:36,930 oh that's our hoax and yeah I believe 606 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:38,460 that to this day but it was fascinating 607 00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:40,890 watching it was on national TV yeah yeah 608 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:44,640 yeah it was pretty I know Spiros I'm 609 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:48,390 hoping to get on the show the spirits 610 00:25:54,380 --> 00:25:50,970 Belarus yeah the man who actually did 611 00:25:55,670 --> 00:25:54,390 the the hoax but yeah there's still 612 00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:55,680 people out there that believe it's real 613 00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:00,900 don't you yeah and they believe that 614 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:03,000 he's a government plant so it will just 615 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:07,010 give you the story out that's false 616 00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:10,170 yep yeah they believe in hope on you 617 00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,200 thinker so yeah yeah they they are where 618 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:18,320 were they are they they're out there 619 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:23,730 yeah yeah the the litteraly Bay the 620 00:26:30,580 --> 00:26:25,770 unknown yeah okay we were talking about 621 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:33,290 making everyone look foolish in the UFO 622 00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:35,490 but how do you feel about the disclosure 623 00:26:43,700 --> 00:26:37,620 movement actually feelings going towards 624 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:43,710 this sir yeah I I maybe yeah 625 00:26:48,020 --> 00:26:46,290 my god like my gut tells me that there's 626 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:48,030 there's no motivation for the government 627 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:49,530 or the military to disclose anything 628 00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:50,850 whatever they out 629 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:52,860 I just don't think they'll ever disclose 630 00:26:58,340 --> 00:26:55,890 anything I think it's up to individuals 631 00:27:02,080 --> 00:26:58,350 to try to find as much out about it as 632 00:27:04,460 --> 00:27:02,090 they can but I don't think the official 633 00:27:05,660 --> 00:27:04,470 organizations or governments I don't 634 00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:05,670 think they'll ever really do anything 635 00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,320 other than release their files 636 00:27:11,330 --> 00:27:09,120 yeah II don't think they've already 637 00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:11,340 actually disclosed to a certain extent 638 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:14,640 by releasing so many files sort of 639 00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,410 public and if you dig deep enough 640 00:27:20,060 --> 00:27:18,000 there's a lot of interesting stuff in 641 00:27:21,710 --> 00:27:20,070 there isn't there you know it's just 642 00:27:23,900 --> 00:27:21,720 it's like it's like I was talking the 643 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:23,910 other day yeah it's not hiding a tree in 644 00:27:32,060 --> 00:27:29,850 the woods it's just finding you yeah I 645 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:32,070 mean well I mean the the British 646 00:27:35,750 --> 00:27:34,050 government they release the files over 647 00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:35,760 the course of the last I guess 10 15 648 00:27:39,860 --> 00:27:38,640 years and there's fascinating cases in 649 00:27:41,150 --> 00:27:39,870 contain to them you just have to take 650 00:27:43,670 --> 00:27:41,160 the time to look through them and 651 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:43,680 there's thousands of files in cases but 652 00:27:49,580 --> 00:27:46,050 there's a lot of data in them so I guess 653 00:27:51,530 --> 00:27:49,590 that's a form of disclosure I just don't 654 00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:51,540 know if a military leader or a political 655 00:27:55,670 --> 00:27:53,670 leader will actually hold a press 656 00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:55,680 conference and say okay we saw this this 657 00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:58,440 occurred this in this year we we had 658 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:00,600 contact or I don't think something like 659 00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:02,970 that would happen but certainly some 660 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:04,440 level of disclosures happen because the 661 00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:06,290 government's are giving their files 662 00:28:11,030 --> 00:28:08,310 there they're releasing them to the 663 00:28:12,770 --> 00:28:11,040 public which has not occurred here in 664 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:12,780 the states and I don't see that ever 665 00:28:18,110 --> 00:28:16,170 happening here but also happen there's a 666 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:18,120 lot over there I know you got the Blue 667 00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:21,110 Book ones which were all of public 668 00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:24,240 exercise anyway weren't they but I saw 669 00:28:32,750 --> 00:28:27,720 oh I thought I thought they've released 670 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:32,760 a lot but obviously they haven't been 671 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:35,010 out since the mid seventies and you're 672 00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:36,450 right he wasn't exercise it really 673 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:39,510 wasn't it really wasn't a legitimate 674 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:41,970 investigative efforts except for a short 675 00:28:45,770 --> 00:28:43,770 time in the 50s yeah because I don't 676 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:45,780 think we're different pellucid they put 677 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:47,250 the ones out that they could answer most 678 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:49,650 of them Oh everything they could not so 679 00:28:55,630 --> 00:28:50,930 when somewhere else 680 00:28:58,010 --> 00:28:55,640 yes material command and some other I 681 00:29:00,700 --> 00:28:58,020 guess we'll say organizations within the 682 00:29:04,610 --> 00:29:00,710 military so yeah the Blue Book files are 683 00:29:06,260 --> 00:29:04,620 again they betray a picture because the 684 00:29:09,050 --> 00:29:06,270 Air Force wanted to explain the UFO 685 00:29:11,570 --> 00:29:09,060 issue so I clearly the cases which were 686 00:29:13,940 --> 00:29:11,580 explainable were allowed to go into the 687 00:29:17,270 --> 00:29:13,950 Blue Book system but other cases are 688 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:17,280 stronger aren't there and have yet to be 689 00:29:22,340 --> 00:29:20,850 really released on in any way so yeah so 690 00:29:23,420 --> 00:29:22,350 it's been kind of partial I mean the 691 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:23,430 Blue Book is out there 692 00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,530 grudges out there probably signed it out 693 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:27,600 there for the public to look at but the 694 00:29:31,950 --> 00:29:29,250 real stronger cases they weren't allowed 695 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:31,960 to be in Blue Book those are 696 00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:36,610 or not so and I use those ones I'm 697 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:37,240 referring to 698 00:29:40,980 --> 00:29:38,410 I don't think those will ever see the 699 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:40,990 light of day yeah which says a lot for 700 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:42,910 itself really doesn't it boy well I 701 00:29:53,580 --> 00:29:46,210 really see them oh yeah exactly you know 702 00:29:55,650 --> 00:29:53,590 why not yeah have you got any advice for 703 00:29:58,140 --> 00:29:55,660 people considering could that to narrow 704 00:30:00,960 --> 00:29:58,150 your investigations UFO investigations 705 00:30:02,790 --> 00:30:00,970 in the field you know I know there's not 706 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:02,800 a lot of advice you can give people but 707 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:05,650 some I think a lot of it it's just to 708 00:30:11,660 --> 00:30:07,450 stick to it isn't it because you can be 709 00:30:17,130 --> 00:30:11,670 quite disheartening yes it can be I 710 00:30:19,530 --> 00:30:17,140 think I like to refer to what law 711 00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:19,540 enforcement does an ID law enforcement 712 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:22,150 investigation doesn't go into a case 713 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:24,250 with some preconceived notion they 714 00:30:29,100 --> 00:30:26,050 simply look for the evidence they try to 715 00:30:31,950 --> 00:30:29,110 gather as much evidence they can in the 716 00:30:33,870 --> 00:30:31,960 proper way and and and garner first-hand 717 00:30:36,750 --> 00:30:33,880 testimony of physical evidence and then 718 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:36,760 whatever that evidence proves or shows 719 00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:39,490 or lead you to you go with that I think 720 00:30:42,570 --> 00:30:40,720 a lot of times in the open field 721 00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:42,580 investigators have a preconceived idea 722 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:45,220 they have a bias hmm at what may have 723 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:47,050 happened and they approach a case with 724 00:30:52,290 --> 00:30:50,170 that bias and I think and that occurs 725 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:52,300 and the end like and David like you said 726 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:54,370 if you just keep your nose to the 727 00:30:57,900 --> 00:30:56,170 grindstone you keep pushing keep pushing 728 00:31:02,520 --> 00:30:57,910 it may get frustrating that gets tiring 729 00:31:04,140 --> 00:31:02,530 is it never any process and you come 730 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:04,150 across a lot of cases that are mundane 731 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:06,490 and explainable and you really see 732 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:08,170 nothing really outstanding in your work 733 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:09,610 but you gotta keep pushing because 734 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:11,050 sooner or later you'll find one sooner 735 00:31:14,340 --> 00:31:12,370 or later there's if that's not 736 00:31:16,050 --> 00:31:14,350 explaining you know keep pushing that's 737 00:31:17,550 --> 00:31:16,060 that's I guess there's about device yeah 738 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:17,560 cuz it seems to me a lot of people go 739 00:31:20,310 --> 00:31:19,210 out on the Skywalk she's expecting 740 00:31:24,870 --> 00:31:20,320 they're actually gonna say something 741 00:31:26,250 --> 00:31:24,880 yeah and you know yeah that's usually 742 00:31:28,140 --> 00:31:26,260 the case yeah they're they're expecting 743 00:31:29,370 --> 00:31:28,150 to do something yeah it probably happens 744 00:31:31,950 --> 00:31:29,380 a lot in the States as well no you see 745 00:31:33,390 --> 00:31:31,960 little clips and things in fact you did 746 00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:33,400 this go watch it well back there because 747 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:35,860 we had um we had someone come over from 748 00:31:40,770 --> 00:31:38,170 from the UK actually a coffee we think 749 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:40,780 he's one of our presenters and I've 750 00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:42,010 never seen you under tell you they'll 751 00:31:45,779 --> 00:31:44,340 send you a picture of your de televisión 752 00:31:47,489 --> 00:31:45,789 yeah 753 00:31:51,330 --> 00:31:47,499 I apologize to British television for 754 00:31:53,489 --> 00:31:51,340 showing miles a month but no it was a it 755 00:31:56,719 --> 00:31:53,499 was a Sky Watch after a field trip that 756 00:31:58,830 --> 00:31:56,729 was conducted by the local Houston MUFON 757 00:32:01,979 --> 00:31:58,840 chapter they've gone out 758 00:32:05,399 --> 00:32:01,989 we went out to explore the cache Landrum 759 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:05,409 signing area that case happened in 1980 760 00:32:09,389 --> 00:32:07,450 actually the same weekend is added to 761 00:32:12,299 --> 00:32:09,399 the Saudi Interior from forest same 762 00:32:14,009 --> 00:32:12,309 weekend all right yeah so we we went to 763 00:32:16,590 --> 00:32:14,019 we went to did a little excursion there 764 00:32:17,580 --> 00:32:16,600 came back there was food and drinks and 765 00:32:19,469 --> 00:32:17,590 we just couldn't have a sky watching 766 00:32:21,739 --> 00:32:19,479 this this gentleman who is a celebrity 767 00:32:24,509 --> 00:32:21,749 in Great Britain I don't know his name 768 00:32:28,259 --> 00:32:24,519 I'll see you in a minute Fred Presley 769 00:32:29,460 --> 00:32:28,269 wolf she's done was a strut Brett and he 770 00:32:30,749 --> 00:32:29,470 sat down with us with a group of about 771 00:32:32,549 --> 00:32:30,759 20 people they were just asking 772 00:32:34,739 --> 00:32:32,559 questions and then day was it was a fun 773 00:32:36,149 --> 00:32:34,749 occasion and I didn't get to stable the 774 00:32:38,669 --> 00:32:36,159 Sky Watch I had to work the next morning 775 00:32:40,229 --> 00:32:38,679 so I'd that'll back to San Antonio but 776 00:32:41,310 --> 00:32:40,239 it was fascinating here in the they were 777 00:32:44,249 --> 00:32:41,320 a different point of view 778 00:32:46,259 --> 00:32:44,259 though yeah it was it was clear as a 779 00:32:48,060 --> 00:32:46,269 bell that night but yeah I don't know 780 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:48,070 ordering yeah well he was there with his 781 00:32:56,940 --> 00:32:49,690 son that made a short series about 782 00:32:58,979 --> 00:32:56,950 travelling across the USA right now they 783 00:33:04,560 --> 00:32:58,989 Rock they arrived pretty late they 784 00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:04,570 arrived like I think was 11 p.m. they 785 00:33:09,089 --> 00:33:06,609 got a lot yeah was pretty late cuz it 786 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:09,099 was it was kind of kind of wearing down 787 00:33:12,869 --> 00:33:10,690 and then they arrived it 11:30 p.m. 788 00:33:14,129 --> 00:33:12,879 local time and they everyone is energy 789 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:14,139 all the convict up and they kept going 790 00:33:22,019 --> 00:33:17,049 yeah it was about to go to sleep and 791 00:33:24,029 --> 00:33:22,029 they was late so know was was coyote on 792 00:33:26,219 --> 00:33:24,039 the outskirts of Houston anyways it was 793 00:33:30,149 --> 00:33:26,229 kind of hard to find the spot so it was 794 00:33:32,430 --> 00:33:30,159 it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't stretched 795 00:33:34,979 --> 00:33:32,440 to imagine they got lost it was you know 796 00:33:37,950 --> 00:33:34,989 I figure they would so yeah that's yeah 797 00:33:46,289 --> 00:33:37,960 that's a crazy City for Troy he didn't 798 00:33:47,039 --> 00:33:46,299 you stay out of Houston extend about 30 799 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:47,049 miles 800 00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:49,570 oh well no no no but I was there the 801 00:33:53,609 --> 00:33:51,369 other year the freeways and that the 802 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:53,619 over policies under policies and they're 803 00:33:58,530 --> 00:33:55,570 so easy to get lost on you you end up on 804 00:34:02,940 --> 00:33:58,540 the wrong road you had it 805 00:34:04,620 --> 00:34:02,950 or maybe a UFO crashed in downtown 806 00:34:12,210 --> 00:34:04,630 Houston there's no way they could cover 807 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:12,220 it up so yeah yeah what do you think I 808 00:34:17,909 --> 00:34:14,770 mean what do you think the most the 809 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:17,919 biggest challenges issue facing UFO 810 00:34:23,970 --> 00:34:22,210 research today is it trying to walk wade 811 00:34:26,850 --> 00:34:23,980 through the suppose really 812 00:34:29,490 --> 00:34:26,860 isn't it it's yeah I'm pretty much 813 00:34:33,930 --> 00:34:29,500 pretty much it's it's I mean it's it's 814 00:34:36,180 --> 00:34:33,940 the UFO community needs to be looked at 815 00:34:38,250 --> 00:34:36,190 in a positive light 816 00:34:40,140 --> 00:34:38,260 right now yeah at least here in the 817 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:40,150 states it's viewed as like a 818 00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:43,169 pseudoscience it's not taken seriously 819 00:34:48,150 --> 00:34:45,730 and that's a result of all the hucksters 820 00:34:50,370 --> 00:34:48,160 and charlatans and hoaxing going on 821 00:34:52,620 --> 00:34:50,380 that's like look like that so that's 822 00:34:55,790 --> 00:34:52,630 that's one struggle the other struggle 823 00:34:59,910 --> 00:34:55,800 is there's a shortage of investigators 824 00:35:01,920 --> 00:34:59,920 good ones yeah yeah yes IDs there that 825 00:35:03,570 --> 00:35:01,930 are that are reported in the States or 826 00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:03,580 around the world there's not enough 827 00:35:08,610 --> 00:35:05,350 investigators to research all of them 828 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:08,620 hmm I would think some really good cases 829 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:12,330 are falling through the cracks and 830 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:15,130 another way another another aspect that 831 00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:16,330 would help us would be if we were 832 00:35:21,780 --> 00:35:20,800 treated in a more legitimate life by the 833 00:35:23,580 --> 00:35:21,790 scientific community 834 00:35:25,050 --> 00:35:23,590 yeah we're really big that would be a 835 00:35:26,940 --> 00:35:25,060 big deal but none of those things has 836 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:26,950 happened yet so I I guess we're all 837 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:28,450 pushing toward that we're working for 838 00:35:32,850 --> 00:35:30,490 that yeah why do you feel this too many 839 00:35:34,500 --> 00:35:32,860 kind of tell me what I call the 840 00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:34,510 entertainers but we know no I know that 841 00:35:39,210 --> 00:35:36,400 they're called entertainers in the UFO 842 00:35:41,190 --> 00:35:39,220 in the world when I go on and just all 843 00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:41,200 the talks and things where they could be 844 00:35:46,350 --> 00:35:42,910 doing some really good investigative 845 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:46,360 work and I think a lot of it they're 846 00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:47,650 probably just relying on the Internet 847 00:35:54,930 --> 00:35:51,040 themselves a lot a lot of it's on I read 848 00:35:57,870 --> 00:35:54,940 yeah yeah you thought you vote I'm it 849 00:36:00,000 --> 00:35:57,880 you Poe tainment my good friend Ray 850 00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:00,010 Spivey it was in my in my group he 851 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:01,030 called a new potema 852 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:03,690 when these television programs are or 853 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:08,290 put together and they they portray the 854 00:36:12,510 --> 00:36:10,930 UFO phenomenon with a script in a 855 00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:12,520 screenplay and it's 856 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:15,040 portrayed AnnaLynne a accurate factual 857 00:36:20,250 --> 00:36:18,130 light and then you have shows like 858 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:20,260 ancient aliens you evoke UFO FILES which 859 00:36:24,570 --> 00:36:23,290 have some information in them but the 860 00:36:27,900 --> 00:36:24,580 vast majority is just kind of 861 00:36:29,850 --> 00:36:27,910 speculative and yeah you know I'm 862 00:36:31,350 --> 00:36:29,860 somewhat honest in some way it helps I 863 00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:31,360 mean the new the new show Project Blue 864 00:36:36,450 --> 00:36:33,280 Book on History Channel and make it 865 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:36,460 people interested in a UFO issue but the 866 00:36:40,530 --> 00:36:38,170 show itself does not portray the events 867 00:36:43,110 --> 00:36:40,540 accurately no so there is a double-edged 868 00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:43,120 sword it really is but I guess if it 869 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:44,830 gets one or two people involved in 870 00:36:48,780 --> 00:36:46,690 investigations it's a good thing yeah 871 00:36:50,700 --> 00:36:48,790 but yeah you have to view it like okay 872 00:36:53,820 --> 00:36:50,710 this is really this is just a TV show 873 00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:53,830 this is not real events y'all haven't 874 00:36:58,530 --> 00:36:55,840 seen that yet cuz yes it hit the UK 875 00:37:00,510 --> 00:36:58,540 shows yet but officially anyway I think 876 00:37:04,410 --> 00:37:00,520 there's been a few illegal copies 877 00:37:06,690 --> 00:37:04,420 floating a bit but that's I'm looking 878 00:37:08,670 --> 00:37:06,700 forward to seeing that at some point I 879 00:37:10,110 --> 00:37:08,680 was always a great fan of the x-files 880 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:10,120 and things like that's why I can't 881 00:37:13,470 --> 00:37:11,410 understand why it's not taken more 882 00:37:16,700 --> 00:37:13,480 seriously you know because the X file 883 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:16,710 was was quite a serious program and 884 00:37:21,810 --> 00:37:19,930 people took it seriously and yet then 885 00:37:24,030 --> 00:37:21,820 when you talk about the real cases they 886 00:37:29,070 --> 00:37:24,040 kind of take the take the mickey out of 887 00:37:32,490 --> 00:37:29,080 it you know understand I don't know I 888 00:37:35,250 --> 00:37:32,500 mean yeah and the x-files was a good TV 889 00:37:37,110 --> 00:37:35,260 show as well written again it wasn't 890 00:37:39,690 --> 00:37:37,120 accurate in fact for cases they may have 891 00:37:43,650 --> 00:37:39,700 been written into a screenplay but it 892 00:37:47,460 --> 00:37:43,660 was a serious drama but people can't 893 00:37:49,290 --> 00:37:47,470 people can't take that jump to looking 894 00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:49,300 at UFO cases in a serious light they 895 00:37:56,010 --> 00:37:52,990 kind of they belittle it yeah artistic 896 00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:56,020 license they cool yeah they did you know 897 00:38:00,780 --> 00:37:58,210 I don't know what people can't take the 898 00:38:03,390 --> 00:38:00,790 elbow issue seriously some do there are 899 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:03,400 people to do but I don't know if the 900 00:38:10,500 --> 00:38:08,050 average citizen takes the Eloise issue 901 00:38:13,980 --> 00:38:10,510 seriously I don't know I think a lot of 902 00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:13,990 them don't this is my opinion I see I 903 00:38:17,070 --> 00:38:15,700 see both I see people who take it 904 00:38:19,230 --> 00:38:17,080 seriously in other words just kind of 905 00:38:22,230 --> 00:38:19,240 blow it off and make fun of it and and 906 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:22,240 or don't even look at it at all so I 907 00:38:26,370 --> 00:38:25,570 don't know yeah do you have any interest 908 00:38:28,890 --> 00:38:26,380 in the paranormal 909 00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:28,900 are you interested in the ghosts and 910 00:38:34,860 --> 00:38:30,550 hauntings and things always it mainly 911 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:34,870 just UFOs mainly just you oppose I like 912 00:38:40,530 --> 00:38:37,930 a few other fringe topics like the 913 00:38:42,210 --> 00:38:40,540 Bigfoot scenario watch this month yeah 914 00:38:45,150 --> 00:38:42,220 because I mean I grew up I grew up 915 00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:45,160 fascinated by dinosaurs hmm so the idea 916 00:38:49,170 --> 00:38:46,750 of the ancient species or unknown 917 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:49,180 animals may exist in nature I find that 918 00:38:54,570 --> 00:38:52,090 fascinating but yeah I might as far as 919 00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:54,580 my research at all you'll pose yeah well 920 00:38:58,830 --> 00:38:56,800 sometimes the the Yeti or the call 921 00:39:02,010 --> 00:38:58,840 before is actually linked to UFOs in 922 00:39:05,130 --> 00:39:02,020 some of the so you know is it some sort 923 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:05,140 of a interdimensional stuff isn't it 924 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:06,970 this link to it same as our Loch Ness 925 00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:08,770 monster because I had the Malcolm 926 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:10,930 Robinson over on a couple of weeks ago 927 00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:14,890 you heard it but he was talking about a 928 00:39:21,140 --> 00:39:16,480 loch ness monster and we were ready to 929 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:21,150 the interdimensional aspects of it there 930 00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,730 was good knowing yeah you're right there 931 00:39:30,270 --> 00:39:26,880 there's there's UFO cases that have a 932 00:39:33,390 --> 00:39:30,280 Bigfoot component I I don't know what to 933 00:39:35,010 --> 00:39:33,400 think of them they're there what dr. 934 00:39:37,380 --> 00:39:35,020 Hynek used to call them high strangeness 935 00:39:38,430 --> 00:39:37,390 cases they're not just a nuts and bolts 936 00:39:40,020 --> 00:39:38,440 day iDisk 937 00:39:43,770 --> 00:39:40,030 there are cases that border on the 938 00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:43,780 paranormal I I don't know I'm a pretty 939 00:39:47,460 --> 00:39:45,580 grounded guy I have no idea what's going 940 00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:47,470 on there but uh it's fascinating how 941 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:50,260 some aspects of a paranormal tend to 942 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:52,930 bleed into each other oh yeah yeah from 943 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:55,330 UFO cases are so bizarre they bleed into 944 00:39:59,850 --> 00:39:57,490 other other things any got crop circle 945 00:40:02,670 --> 00:39:59,860 enigma and cattle mutilations and things 946 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:02,680 like that if there's a connection I 947 00:40:06,570 --> 00:40:05,050 don't know but it it's always it's 948 00:40:08,870 --> 00:40:06,580 always fascinating discussion so how do 949 00:40:11,940 --> 00:40:08,880 you feel about a crop circles 950 00:40:14,010 --> 00:40:11,950 yeah always hours ask this last month I 951 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:14,020 don't know the program I don't know I 952 00:40:22,650 --> 00:40:18,850 don't know I you take the water believe 953 00:40:23,550 --> 00:40:22,660 it don't you but yeah I'd be fascinating 954 00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:23,560 if they were trying to communicate with 955 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:27,250 us using structures put into or carved 956 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:30,610 into a cross I don't know I I haven't 957 00:40:34,020 --> 00:40:32,530 read enough about Alex you know he 958 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:34,030 programs I have a couple of books on in 959 00:40:39,240 --> 00:40:37,570 my in my archives but I don't know I 960 00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:39,250 know there's a lot of hoaxes oh yeah 961 00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:40,090 definitely 962 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:43,150 a lot of nice when yourself pickup XE 963 00:40:47,670 --> 00:40:45,610 ancient aliens again some of the designs 964 00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:47,680 that have been made that Tiana Tiana COO 965 00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:50,040 and all that sort places in the in Peru 966 00:40:54,740 --> 00:40:52,630 baser wonder about the designs that you 967 00:41:00,780 --> 00:40:54,750 see there the designs you see in the 968 00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:00,790 cornfield because you could never say 969 00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:03,790 from the air you know yeah and there's 970 00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:05,110 something too unexplained there's 971 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:06,910 something clearly hoses there are some 972 00:41:11,460 --> 00:41:08,650 that are examined and proven to be 973 00:41:16,380 --> 00:41:11,470 hoaxes oh yes but there's still they 974 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:16,390 still do they defy explanation so in 975 00:41:24,240 --> 00:41:19,050 that by itself makes it fascinating I 976 00:41:25,860 --> 00:41:24,250 don't know what's going on though I say 977 00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:25,870 there's no experts in this field it's 978 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:29,260 all is there no no the term the term UFO 979 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:31,210 expert it is an oxymoron that makes 980 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:33,010 notes them but it's thrown around a lot 981 00:41:39,690 --> 00:41:36,130 yeah but all right I guess crop circles 982 00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:39,700 is more of a European enigma more than 983 00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:41,140 the States it happens here occasionally 984 00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:44,050 but it seems to be much more in in the 985 00:41:48,630 --> 00:41:47,110 gray in the British Isles you know it's 986 00:41:50,670 --> 00:41:48,640 not always so we're trying to learn from 987 00:41:52,020 --> 00:41:50,680 each other what we and you'll know a bit 988 00:41:53,250 --> 00:41:52,030 oh no appear and somebody else will 989 00:41:55,230 --> 00:41:53,260 never be trying to put it all together 990 00:41:59,940 --> 00:41:55,240 and come up with some kind of an answer 991 00:42:03,690 --> 00:41:59,950 to it but so we never know that goes to 992 00:42:05,610 --> 00:42:03,700 the question you asked me a while back 993 00:42:08,250 --> 00:42:05,620 about how the how the UFO community as 994 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:08,260 far as research can brew researchers can 995 00:42:12,510 --> 00:42:10,810 talk to each other yeah that would be a 996 00:42:14,430 --> 00:42:12,520 big help because somebody somebody in 997 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:14,440 France or Britain or Peru or the States 998 00:42:17,730 --> 00:42:15,850 might have some answers or some data 999 00:42:19,980 --> 00:42:17,740 that's fascinating if they talk to 1000 00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:19,990 somebody across the pond or somebody 1001 00:42:25,350 --> 00:42:22,510 from India or somebody from Japan who 1002 00:42:27,510 --> 00:42:25,360 might have a similar data that goes a 1003 00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:27,520 long way but I think a lot of a lot of a 1004 00:42:30,060 --> 00:42:28,960 lot of researchers a lot of groups don't 1005 00:42:31,140 --> 00:42:30,070 really do that they don't talk to each 1006 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:31,150 other yeah and they just keep it to 1007 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:32,650 themselves within their own groups oh 1008 00:42:38,010 --> 00:42:36,610 yeah yeah they communicated more I think 1009 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:38,020 that would be a big oh I think that 1010 00:42:41,700 --> 00:42:39,850 would be a big help you know then you 1011 00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:41,710 can you still get a lot of cattle 1012 00:42:47,390 --> 00:42:44,110 mutilations going on over the states I 1013 00:42:49,380 --> 00:42:47,400 know you we get them occasionally here 1014 00:42:50,940 --> 00:42:49,390 they're still reported but it really 1015 00:42:53,130 --> 00:42:50,950 doesn't make it really doesn't make the 1016 00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:53,140 news other than local outlets I know 1017 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:53,650 there's a 1018 00:42:57,989 --> 00:42:56,170 mutilation in I recall was on vacation 1019 00:42:59,970 --> 00:42:57,999 in Colorado about eight years ago and it 1020 00:43:02,400 --> 00:42:59,980 was a mutilation that happened outside 1021 00:43:06,839 --> 00:43:02,410 Colorado Springs and we had made the 1022 00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:06,849 local paper but it doesn't seem to be is 1023 00:43:11,489 --> 00:43:09,910 well I I should rephrase that there may 1024 00:43:13,109 --> 00:43:11,499 be mutilations going on but they're not 1025 00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:13,119 reported in the media as much as they 1026 00:43:16,289 --> 00:43:13,990 were before 1027 00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:16,299 maybe so commonplace there it was good 1028 00:43:20,819 --> 00:43:19,089 used to it and but I mean to me that's 1029 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:20,829 pretty weird because they said they do 1030 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:23,410 seem to be kind of cut off by lasers 1031 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:26,650 don't they yeah 1032 00:43:31,170 --> 00:43:28,450 hey you I think you rock your ideas 1033 00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:31,180 become commonplace hmm no it's not 1034 00:43:33,690 --> 00:43:32,319 anything out of the ordinary because 1035 00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:33,700 it's happened so often people say oh 1036 00:43:37,769 --> 00:43:35,200 that's another it's another cattle 1037 00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:37,779 mutilation no big deal why why spend the 1038 00:43:40,739 --> 00:43:39,160 money or the time reported in the 1039 00:43:43,950 --> 00:43:40,749 newspaper yeah and of course it's not 1040 00:43:46,739 --> 00:43:43,960 always just calluses hoaxes and shaping 1041 00:43:48,690 --> 00:43:46,749 Osos isn't it yeah yes yeah yeah I mean 1042 00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:48,700 the majority is cattle but yeah horses 1043 00:43:53,759 --> 00:43:50,680 other other farm animal other farm 1044 00:43:57,269 --> 00:43:53,769 other farm mammals it's it happens to 1045 00:43:58,529 --> 00:43:57,279 them but I'm it's like crop circles I 1046 00:44:01,170 --> 00:43:58,539 have no idea what's going on I mean 1047 00:44:03,210 --> 00:44:01,180 there may be awful component to it I I 1048 00:44:07,049 --> 00:44:03,220 don't know there's enough there's 1049 00:44:09,569 --> 00:44:07,059 another unexplained part of that 1050 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:09,579 scenario the blood loss the lack of 1051 00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:12,450 footprints the nature that make it 1052 00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:15,190 fascinating and and and still a mystery 1053 00:44:20,339 --> 00:44:17,650 yeah but if if it's connected to you 1054 00:44:22,979 --> 00:44:20,349 opposed or some other paranormal and 1055 00:44:24,809 --> 00:44:22,989 they might I don't know I mean but it's 1056 00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:24,819 so clean to be animal attack something 1057 00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:26,529 like most of its on but I seem to be 1058 00:44:32,039 --> 00:44:30,160 anyway yeah because I'm greater when you 1059 00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:32,049 select war I see if it was a tiger 1060 00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:33,430 attack or something they'll be ripped to 1061 00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:35,950 shreds well I seem to be so clean the 1062 00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,980 killed if you look yeah pretty much like 1063 00:44:44,249 --> 00:44:40,960 I mean wolf or a grizzly bear or brown 1064 00:44:45,779 --> 00:44:44,259 bear would leave such clean cut marks a 1065 00:44:47,339 --> 00:44:45,789 with a word there will be blood at the 1066 00:44:49,529 --> 00:44:47,349 scene it would be there would be 1067 00:44:51,450 --> 00:44:49,539 destruction to the body yeah it's in 1068 00:44:53,220 --> 00:44:51,460 there if so it wouldn't even be a 1069 00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:53,230 carcass left I let's take you away with 1070 00:44:59,460 --> 00:44:54,690 me 1071 00:45:01,650 --> 00:44:59,470 pretty much yeah you're right also 1072 00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:01,660 begets at a point of the people to go 1073 00:45:05,279 --> 00:45:03,130 missing as well all over the world just 1074 00:45:07,010 --> 00:45:05,289 there's quite a few people it goes into 1075 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:07,020 thousands doesn't it over the world 1076 00:45:12,330 --> 00:45:09,610 I've always wondered if at least if as a 1077 00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:12,340 sort of UFO connections to there you 1078 00:45:18,930 --> 00:45:16,350 through he repelled you do yeah there's 1079 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:18,940 thousands of disappearances that that 1080 00:45:25,020 --> 00:45:22,450 are unexplained maybe they were suicides 1081 00:45:28,340 --> 00:45:25,030 kidnappings people wanting to disappear 1082 00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:28,350 from their lives certainly explain some 1083 00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:30,790 could there be evil component could they 1084 00:45:38,730 --> 00:45:36,160 be let's say alien abductions where the 1085 00:45:40,470 --> 00:45:38,740 abductee is not returned I guess that's 1086 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:40,480 the possibility I mean there's no proof 1087 00:45:46,110 --> 00:45:44,890 that that's not transpiring so there but 1088 00:45:48,180 --> 00:45:46,120 your are there's thousands of people 1089 00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,190 that are reported missing and it makes 1090 00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:51,040 me wonder immediately how many how many 1091 00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:52,480 people go missing and they are not 1092 00:45:56,070 --> 00:45:54,880 reported yeah yeah well that's wrong I 1093 00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:56,080 think at a lot of a third world 1094 00:45:59,610 --> 00:45:57,640 countries people go missing I think 1095 00:46:01,380 --> 00:45:59,620 they're probably just not even thought 1096 00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:01,390 about or mentioned are they you know 1097 00:46:07,290 --> 00:46:05,470 it's a yeah but how people could just go 1098 00:46:08,970 --> 00:46:07,300 missing there's no sign of them at all I 1099 00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,980 just sort of they disappear off the face 1100 00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:11,440 of the earth it's just biggest belief 1101 00:46:17,180 --> 00:46:15,520 really yeah because all these lot of 1102 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:17,190 these disappearances don't happen in 1103 00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:21,250 like national parks or sometimes it 1104 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:24,370 happens in the city yeah if you if it 1105 00:46:28,980 --> 00:46:26,050 was in a national park or some area that 1106 00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:28,990 wasn't developed my mind immediately 1107 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:30,190 thinks don't get predators and 1108 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:31,570 scavengers are gonna take the body if 1109 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:34,930 this person died vultures and coyotes 1110 00:46:38,190 --> 00:46:36,250 and wolves and things of that nature 1111 00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:38,200 will take the body and they'll devour 1112 00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,520 they the evidence there won't be 1113 00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:41,680 anything left to find but a lot of 1114 00:46:47,010 --> 00:46:44,520 people disappear from urban areas and 1115 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:47,020 that's a lot harder to explain how a 1116 00:46:51,210 --> 00:46:50,410 person could just disappear without a 1117 00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:51,220 trace 1118 00:46:54,750 --> 00:46:53,050 it's still the majority of probably 1119 00:46:56,940 --> 00:46:54,760 something mundane in nature they were 1120 00:46:58,860 --> 00:46:56,950 kidnapped or they decided to leave there 1121 00:47:01,230 --> 00:46:58,870 they leave their lives and relocate 1122 00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:01,240 somewhere else them the majority Polly 1123 00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:04,050 are assigned to that explanation but 1124 00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:06,820 just the numbers are are fascinating 1125 00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:08,590 that thousands will just disappear 1126 00:47:14,220 --> 00:47:10,560 without a trace 1127 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:14,230 that's that's a nutrition scenario yeah 1128 00:47:18,609 --> 00:47:15,970 oh it's terrified in some respects is 1129 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:18,619 thick you know but you think 1130 00:47:23,770 --> 00:47:19,930 when you actually look at the figures 1131 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:23,780 yeah yeah I measured care one of the 1132 00:47:31,750 --> 00:47:29,690 families they leave behind yeah what do 1133 00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:31,760 you what do you least like about ufology 1134 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:35,470 is it the backbone and everything it's a 1135 00:47:44,970 --> 00:47:42,410 yeah I know it's an easy you know I have 1136 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:44,980 I have friends that I disagree with 1137 00:47:49,900 --> 00:47:46,970 completely yeah 1138 00:47:52,540 --> 00:47:49,910 well we get along just fine it's just 1139 00:47:53,770 --> 00:47:52,550 those individuals that they just want a 1140 00:47:55,299 --> 00:47:53,780 back fight they want to ride your 1141 00:47:58,089 --> 00:47:55,309 coattails they want to call your names 1142 00:48:01,599 --> 00:47:58,099 they just I don't know what it happens 1143 00:48:02,079 --> 00:48:01,609 but it does it's you know I just brush 1144 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:02,089 it off 1145 00:48:04,839 --> 00:48:03,530 I either block them on Facebook actually 1146 00:48:06,579 --> 00:48:04,849 I don't have any big block companies but 1147 00:48:08,349 --> 00:48:06,589 other than that one gentleman now I'm 1148 00:48:10,990 --> 00:48:08,359 using that word gently the gentleman is 1149 00:48:13,089 --> 00:48:11,000 made the company by yourself and Peter I 1150 00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:13,099 blocked him but beyond that I have no 1151 00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:14,480 one else block on Facebook I just don't 1152 00:48:18,579 --> 00:48:17,510 interact with yeah there's a lot of that 1153 00:48:20,980 --> 00:48:18,589 stuff for the one that 1154 00:48:23,349 --> 00:48:20,990 yeah it's that's that's part of the 1155 00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:23,359 thing I like the least about the UFO 1156 00:48:27,130 --> 00:48:25,849 community yeah but it is work and I just 1157 00:48:27,370 --> 00:48:27,140 you know if someone's gonna act like 1158 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:27,380 that 1159 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:28,490 I just don't interact with them no I 1160 00:48:31,930 --> 00:48:30,410 don't you mean I mean to think he's off 1161 00:48:33,730 --> 00:48:31,940 being blocked by her but certain people 1162 00:48:35,319 --> 00:48:33,740 because of the investigation because of 1163 00:48:44,349 --> 00:48:35,329 the investigation we were doing I just 1164 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:44,359 want a shuttle sales I can't imagine why 1165 00:48:48,430 --> 00:48:46,130 anybody would block you you're a 1166 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:48,440 gentleman I try to be I mean severely 1167 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:49,970 side Lois told about me a little while 1168 00:48:55,390 --> 00:48:52,250 ago that was using swear words on 1169 00:48:57,730 --> 00:48:55,400 Facebook I've never done that I did use 1170 00:48:59,319 --> 00:48:57,740 an F word in in a private message to 1171 00:49:01,329 --> 00:48:59,329 somebody which then was port on phasing 1172 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:01,339 yeah but that was because I was very 1173 00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:03,170 annoyed about something and and that 1174 00:49:08,650 --> 00:49:06,190 felt I had no no problem in any way so 1175 00:49:10,059 --> 00:49:08,660 that was just that was just because 1176 00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:10,069 that's all they could use a public aids 1177 00:49:16,870 --> 00:49:15,410 me really yeah I am one friend on 1178 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:16,880 Facebook he's he's a very grounded guy 1179 00:49:25,890 --> 00:49:22,730 and he he sent me a photograph he I 1180 00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:25,900 guess he screamed the screen saved a 1181 00:49:30,670 --> 00:49:27,920 threat on Facebook were a couple of guys 1182 00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:30,680 that have unfriended me or 1183 00:49:34,810 --> 00:49:32,450 lewd comments about me I'm like okay I 1184 00:49:36,820 --> 00:49:34,820 don't know I don't I don't think I'm 1185 00:49:38,380 --> 00:49:36,830 two-faced I don't think I'm this out of 1186 00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:38,390 the other but they have this opinion of 1187 00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,030 me I thought well I mean I can't help 1188 00:49:46,270 --> 00:49:44,240 but you will think about me I mean I you 1189 00:49:49,870 --> 00:49:46,280 know it's it's kind of bizarre how that 1190 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:49,880 happens yeah it is what it is I mean you 1191 00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:51,290 know how many people think we don't know 1192 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:53,450 you but but then they sort of make a 1193 00:49:59,680 --> 00:49:57,290 judgment against you I mean just people 1194 00:50:01,800 --> 00:49:59,690 it's like she knows them no and I've 1195 00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:01,810 just people wrongly in the past as well 1196 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:05,150 yeah they may be judges or people that 1197 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:06,410 they don't know or people they've never 1198 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:09,770 been in person I mean it's it's it's 1199 00:50:14,050 --> 00:50:12,050 kind of bizarre yeah they make horrible 1200 00:50:15,850 --> 00:50:14,060 comments I wouldn't I would make some of 1201 00:50:17,980 --> 00:50:15,860 the comments I see on social media I 1202 00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:17,990 wouldn't think a lot my worst enemy much 1203 00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:19,040 less somebody I've never met 1204 00:50:24,430 --> 00:50:21,980 exactly but yeah it it it's out there a 1205 00:50:28,650 --> 00:50:24,440 lot it's it's pretty interesting yeah 1206 00:50:31,780 --> 00:50:28,660 and hence the rules in my group yeah 1207 00:50:33,580 --> 00:50:31,790 pretty straight talking and honest in 1208 00:50:36,250 --> 00:50:33,590 what you say I've never seen anything 1209 00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:36,260 that's you where you've insulted anyone 1210 00:50:41,140 --> 00:50:37,730 for any reason oh no you will usually 1211 00:50:43,270 --> 00:50:41,150 pull up people on the insult in others 1212 00:50:46,450 --> 00:50:43,280 or using bad language or whatever I just 1213 00:50:47,230 --> 00:50:46,460 know it's just only for it with you know 1214 00:50:48,850 --> 00:50:47,240 I would never do that 1215 00:50:51,130 --> 00:50:48,860 yeah I would never insult anybody if I'd 1216 00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:51,140 if I disagree with them I always tell 1217 00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:53,090 them all that well I just disagree with 1218 00:50:58,270 --> 00:50:55,550 you and that's it I would never insult 1219 00:51:07,960 --> 00:50:58,280 anybody no it's that's I wasn't raised 1220 00:51:11,770 --> 00:51:07,970 like that so either quite good what do 1221 00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,780 you like the best about utility oh the 1222 00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:14,240 apprenticeship yeah I was going to say 1223 00:51:17,860 --> 00:51:15,490 exactly the same thing 1224 00:51:19,180 --> 00:51:17,870 yeah the friendship something I look 1225 00:51:21,700 --> 00:51:19,190 forward to going to Roswell every year 1226 00:51:23,230 --> 00:51:21,710 and and talking with the research as an 1227 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:23,240 author as I email in them keeping the 1228 00:51:26,350 --> 00:51:24,370 cocktail with them building friendships 1229 00:51:28,990 --> 00:51:26,360 people I know in the community that are 1230 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:29,000 that are cordial and friendly and then 1231 00:51:33,070 --> 00:51:31,850 that's great I love that that and if you 1232 00:51:34,570 --> 00:51:33,080 don't need to agree with them they're 1233 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:34,580 just your friend they have different - 1234 00:51:38,020 --> 00:51:36,410 different positions they believe in 1235 00:51:40,090 --> 00:51:38,030 different areas none of that really 1236 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:40,100 matters because you're friends I love 1237 00:51:44,170 --> 00:51:42,050 that that's that's that's the best thing 1238 00:51:44,980 --> 00:51:44,180 about it oh because go say exactly the 1239 00:51:46,750 --> 00:51:44,990 same 1240 00:51:49,330 --> 00:51:46,760 even if there's people that you've never 1241 00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:49,340 met you do become friends on Facebook I 1242 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:51,260 know it sounds a bit silly you do become 1243 00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:52,970 friends on face but you do get to know 1244 00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:56,330 people and eventually hopefully you'll 1245 00:52:00,040 --> 00:51:58,250 run it know your you will meet them the 1246 00:52:01,930 --> 00:52:00,050 same as you and I this is the first time 1247 00:52:03,580 --> 00:52:01,940 we've spoken although we've known about 1248 00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:03,590 each other for a couple of years at 1249 00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:09,200 least and I like we're friends now oh 1250 00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:10,970 yeah if you can call me any time with 1251 00:52:18,370 --> 00:52:15,770 you yeah it's that's the way social 1252 00:52:19,870 --> 00:52:18,380 media should work people from across all 1253 00:52:21,370 --> 00:52:19,880 areas of the planet can make build 1254 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:21,380 friendships even though they know me in 1255 00:52:26,740 --> 00:52:24,530 person they can interact and that's a 1256 00:52:29,290 --> 00:52:26,750 good thing it's it's unfortunate that 1257 00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:29,300 you have people that misuse it else to 1258 00:52:33,460 --> 00:52:31,640 attack people yes yeah I mean hopefully 1259 00:52:39,220 --> 00:52:33,470 I'll get to meet you face to face one 1260 00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:39,230 day if we will see come over to the UK 1261 00:52:44,110 --> 00:52:42,530 dear I never have but I've been invited 1262 00:52:49,090 --> 00:52:44,120 several times I at some point I will 1263 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:49,100 make that conference this year in 1264 00:52:54,910 --> 00:52:51,490 September at sea for Colonel Hulk 1265 00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:54,920 Colonel Holt returns to Woodbridge you 1266 00:53:00,130 --> 00:52:57,410 know that's in real s in reference to 1267 00:53:02,410 --> 00:53:00,140 the previous appearance at Woodbridge 1268 00:53:03,940 --> 00:53:02,420 when it was a big hoo-ha rebellion Peter 1269 00:53:06,460 --> 00:53:03,950 Robbins wrote a book about it which he 1270 00:53:10,180 --> 00:53:06,470 since withdrawn and they've all become 1271 00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:10,190 friends again and everything and I mean 1272 00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:11,270 you've probably heard all that story 1273 00:53:24,430 --> 00:53:22,640 anyway yeah it was it was music two more 1274 00:53:26,530 --> 00:53:24,440 years anyway so know that all these 1275 00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:26,540 people have been you know got back 1276 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:28,160 together again all these people and have 1277 00:53:35,260 --> 00:53:32,330 fallen out over certain issues if they 1278 00:53:36,730 --> 00:53:35,270 can bury the hatchet they're getting 1279 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:36,740 along again that means they can move 1280 00:53:40,180 --> 00:53:38,450 forward to start investigating some more 1281 00:53:42,130 --> 00:53:40,190 they can keep working they can keep 1282 00:53:43,710 --> 00:53:42,140 pushing forward instead of kind of 1283 00:53:46,390 --> 00:53:43,720 nibbling at each other's heel yeah 1284 00:53:50,770 --> 00:53:46,400 that's a good thank you yeah you could 1285 00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,780 have the radio shows lined up I think 1286 00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:52,880 I'm gonna appear on radio wasteland out 1287 00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:54,470 of Redding California in about a couple 1288 00:53:57,660 --> 00:53:56,690 weeks Rob if you can send me links I'll 1289 00:54:00,780 --> 00:53:57,670 put them on my power 1290 00:54:02,309 --> 00:54:00,790 dimensions page and I really yeah I'll 1291 00:54:02,789 --> 00:54:02,319 be sharing yourself here we gotta help 1292 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:02,799 each other out 1293 00:54:07,170 --> 00:54:05,290 we'll put I'll put certain links and 1294 00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:07,180 things from you know from yourself on 1295 00:54:10,980 --> 00:54:09,190 the page everything so people can find 1296 00:54:14,250 --> 00:54:10,990 you and your groups and everything I'll 1297 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:14,260 put some things on there and a few 1298 00:54:24,829 --> 00:54:15,490 pictures of here will send me a few 1299 00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:27,420 I'm not I'm not really enamored with how 1300 00:54:32,579 --> 00:54:29,950 I look on I in voter grabs off anyone oh 1301 00:54:37,829 --> 00:54:32,589 yeah I'm a bill bill salt throw before 1302 00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:37,839 their best one so true you mean you're 1303 00:54:46,890 --> 00:54:41,440 being very kind I do the same thing 1304 00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:46,900 honestly I listen back to myself on 1305 00:54:49,410 --> 00:54:48,609 these radio shows you I think oh don't 1306 00:54:51,539 --> 00:54:49,420 read or say hello 1307 00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:51,549 I think everyone thinks the same thing 1308 00:54:56,130 --> 00:54:54,400 though don't they yes I see your own 1309 00:55:00,420 --> 00:54:56,140 pictures I think you see a lot of that 1310 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:00,430 picture yeah first time the first radio 1311 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:02,530 program I appeal was radio wasteland 1312 00:55:08,190 --> 00:55:05,290 I guess January of last year and they 1313 00:55:09,690 --> 00:55:08,200 send me a CD copy of of the other 1314 00:55:12,150 --> 00:55:09,700 program no a friend of mine record it 1315 00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:12,160 and send me a CD copy of it and I played 1316 00:55:16,589 --> 00:55:14,650 it I thought I found it horrid yeah yeah 1317 00:55:20,039 --> 00:55:16,599 I'm sorry I thought anyone loves to sad 1318 00:55:21,930 --> 00:55:20,049 to the right voice about three different 1319 00:55:25,020 --> 00:55:21,940 cases I mispronounced a researchers name 1320 00:55:26,819 --> 00:55:25,030 and I got a year wrong in a case and I 1321 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:26,829 thought I should know this what it was 1322 00:55:31,740 --> 00:55:28,930 always upset with that you know and it 1323 00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:31,750 wasn't a big deal but yeah we we are our 1324 00:55:36,299 --> 00:55:33,670 own worst critic when it comes to 1325 00:55:39,329 --> 00:55:36,309 pictures and programs and stuff so yeah 1326 00:55:43,220 --> 00:55:39,339 yeah yeah what about conferences are you 1327 00:55:46,410 --> 00:55:43,230 guys have any this year just Roswell 1328 00:55:48,510 --> 00:55:46,420 just going to divest of all I'm probably 1329 00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:48,520 righto full week early and do some 1330 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:50,290 broadcasts on my blog from the festival 1331 00:55:54,870 --> 00:55:51,130 and 1332 00:55:58,650 --> 00:55:54,880 hopefully take Donna Schmidt the lunch 1333 00:55:59,910 --> 00:55:58,660 and catch up with him and I know Karen 1334 00:56:00,930 --> 00:55:59,920 Randall will be there for the first time 1335 00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:00,940 in about seven or eight years so 1336 00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:07,049 Beatrice tomorrow but beyond that no I 1337 00:56:11,540 --> 00:56:10,809 my my day job as a tennis coach my 1338 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:11,550 scheduling 1339 00:56:15,810 --> 00:56:13,810 prevents me from going to other 1340 00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:15,820 conferences so it's pretty much Rozell 1341 00:56:22,260 --> 00:56:17,920 yeah well I did that you know you were a 1342 00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:22,270 tennis coach yeah yeah local high school 1343 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:23,710 here in San Antonio I'm the head tennis 1344 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:27,130 coach and uh my ability to travel is 1345 00:56:31,490 --> 00:56:29,890 kind of stunted yeah except summer I'm 1346 00:56:33,540 --> 00:56:31,500 off I'm off like four months of a year 1347 00:56:36,330 --> 00:56:33,550 so that's when I get to go to 1348 00:56:39,240 --> 00:56:36,340 conferences and so it's really just 1349 00:56:43,290 --> 00:56:39,250 Rozell this year yeah but uh yeah did 1350 00:56:46,850 --> 00:56:43,300 you have a plate so make a roof no I 1351 00:56:48,900 --> 00:56:46,860 play live but I I've never met that 1352 00:56:57,180 --> 00:56:48,910 gentleman was that will use that term 1353 00:56:58,920 --> 00:56:57,190 loosely no quite lucky actually it's 1354 00:57:00,840 --> 00:56:58,930 quite funny really he comes over here 1355 00:57:03,260 --> 00:57:00,850 for Wimbledon these he seems all right I 1356 00:57:06,690 --> 00:57:03,270 think he was a tempestuous kid he was a 1357 00:57:10,530 --> 00:57:06,700 just that champ st or something yeah 1358 00:57:12,810 --> 00:57:10,540 yeah yeah he was a good guy opinions 1359 00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:12,820 he's he's kind of temperamental on the 1360 00:57:16,170 --> 00:57:14,890 court but he he's a good announcer when 1361 00:57:17,220 --> 00:57:16,180 he wasn't working in Wimbledon every 1362 00:57:20,370 --> 00:57:17,230 year yeah I like it 1363 00:57:22,830 --> 00:57:20,380 he's pretty spot on you know it's pretty 1364 00:57:31,530 --> 00:57:22,840 good news to me that your says coach 1365 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:31,540 good luck with that thirty years I'd say 1366 00:57:34,430 --> 00:57:32,890 it's funny what you find out about 1367 00:57:37,230 --> 00:57:34,440 papers isn't it 1368 00:57:39,350 --> 00:57:37,240 yeah I mean we all have our own 1369 00:57:42,510 --> 00:57:39,360 attachment we discover each other 1370 00:57:46,020 --> 00:57:42,520 through common interests of UFO 1371 00:57:48,030 --> 00:57:46,030 phenomena yeah alright so as we as we 1372 00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:48,040 touch base we learn more about our own 1373 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:50,230 personal lives of Wax what how we pay 1374 00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:51,850 the bills as opposed to re-entry yeah 1375 00:57:54,930 --> 00:57:53,200 Oh pizza pay on his tennis he's probably 1376 00:57:57,060 --> 00:57:54,940 been the only sport lets you follow 1377 00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:57,070 quite regularly I don't I don't watch 1378 00:58:03,420 --> 00:57:57,520 football 1379 00:58:09,810 --> 00:58:03,430 really there's probably tennis is my 1380 00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,820 first love you in sport yeah that's 1381 00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:11,440 right Joe Mecca wrote that fantastic 1382 00:58:17,730 --> 00:58:14,260 match yeah they would broadcast it on 1383 00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:17,740 PBS here they would broadcast the BBC 1384 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:21,310 broadcast every year and and I grew up 1385 00:58:25,470 --> 00:58:22,930 watching that longer and Swede play that 1386 00:58:30,550 --> 00:58:25,480 crazy American 1387 00:58:33,099 --> 00:58:30,560 clapping mattress yeah so buddy is I've 1388 00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:33,109 been doing that for decades I love my 1389 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:37,250 work it's interesting that I can discuss 1390 00:58:43,870 --> 00:58:41,930 the UFO issue and work I shower on work 1391 00:58:45,339 --> 00:58:43,880 udderly for a couple hours just to hang 1392 00:58:46,390 --> 00:58:45,349 out with the coaches and touch base and 1393 00:58:48,730 --> 00:58:46,400 just see what's going on at the campus 1394 00:58:51,130 --> 00:58:48,740 and they ask me questions about the UFO 1395 00:58:56,230 --> 00:58:51,140 issue yes they are they kind of know I'm 1396 00:58:58,690 --> 00:58:56,240 the Oh God yeah oh yeah they're 1397 00:59:00,040 --> 00:58:58,700 interested in it which I I like that 1398 00:59:00,820 --> 00:59:00,050 that's a good change of pace that's 1399 00:59:03,250 --> 00:59:00,830 fantastic 1400 00:59:07,450 --> 00:59:03,260 anyway on that note I'm afraid we've run 1401 00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:07,460 out of time to chop you off here and the 1402 00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:09,920 thing once again thank you very much for 1403 00:59:14,020 --> 00:59:11,810 coming on it's been fantastic talking to 1404 00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:14,030 you and I've always here if you want to 1405 00:59:20,230 --> 00:59:16,400 read me anytime yeah and hopefully abou 1406 00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:20,240 speak again and but I am at your service 1407 00:59:24,099 --> 00:59:21,410 whenever you want me on your process 1408 00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:24,109 right thanks yes I'll put some links on 1409 00:59:29,020 --> 00:59:26,570 the page should everything and hope 1410 00:59:32,260 --> 00:59:29,030 you'll come visit and speak to you again 1411 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:32,270 shortly thank you cool anyway anyway 1412 00:59:36,820 --> 00:59:34,970 anyway everybody thank you very much for 1413 00:59:39,130 --> 00:59:36,830 listening if you tuned e if you haven't 1414 00:59:42,070 --> 00:59:39,140 been well you ever that's the end of you 1415 00:59:49,230 --> 00:59:42,080 and I'll speak to you again next time